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This is a rush transcript from “Sunday Morning Futures” November 29, 2020. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

 

MARIA BARTIROMO, FOX NEWS ANCHOR:  Good Sunday morning, everyone. Welcome
to “Sunday Morning Futures.” I’m Maria Bartiromo.

Today, the president makes his case.

Coming up: my exclusive interview with President Trump in his first
interview since Election Day 2020. The president is contesting the results
because of what he calls massive fraud. The president will tell us where
his legal team stands now on his fight for a free and fair election.

Plus, the only other race that matters right now and the woman at the
center of it. Senator Kelly Loeffler is here, ahead of the January 5 run-
off race in Georgia.

Plus, independent analysis from outside legal scholar Ken Starr on whether
President Trump has a path to victory.

All of that and a lot more, as we look ahead right here, right now on
“Sunday Morning Futures.”

President Trump will join me momentarily.

But, first, the January 5 run-off races in Georgia that will not only
decide which party controls the Senate, but will also dictate policy for
America for years to come.

Here is Texas Senator Ted Cruz on this program two weeks ago on what’s at
stake.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SEN. TED CRUZ (R-TX):  If we have a Chuck Schumer Senate and a Joe Biden
presidency, they will pack the U.S. Supreme Court. They will end the
filibuster. They will pass massive tax increases. They will pass the Green
New Deal, destroying millions of jobs.

If we have a Republican Senate, none of that happens. And so it really is –
– by the way, if they have a Democratic Senate, they will add two new
states to the country to give them…

BARTIROMO:  Wow.

CRUZ:  … they believe, four new Democratic senators.

BARTIROMO:  Yes.

CRUZ:  So, if you want a check — hopefully, Joe Biden does not prevail at
the end of this.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BARTIROMO:  Joining me right now is Georgia Senator Kelly Loeffler, one of
the two senators defending the GOP majority.

Senator, good morning to you. Thanks for being here.

SEN. KELLY LOEFFLER (R-GA):  Good morning, Maria. Thanks for having me
back.

BARTIROMO:  How are you feeling about this upcoming race? Tell us what’s at
stake.

LOEFFLER:  Well, Maria, we feel great.

Look, everything is at stake in this election. The future of our country is
on the ballot on January 5 right here in Georgia. We know what the stakes
are. We know that, if Chuck Schumer gets his way and says, now we take
Georgia, then we change America, they would fundamentally and radically
change America for the worst.

We are not going to let that happen. We are the firewall to socialism, to
stopping socialism in America right here in Georgia. And we’re going to do
that.

But Schumer has his radical change agent in Raphael Warnock in my race. He
has espoused radical views from the pulpit. He is someone that attacked our
police officers, calling them gangsters, thugs, bullies, and a threat to
our children. He would defund the police. He said that we should empty out
our prisons.

He would turn violent criminals into our streets. And he’s also said that
you can’t serve in the military and serve God. So, he would defund the
police, defund the military, and make our communities less safe.

So I have been proud to stand with President Trump to keep our communities
safe, to stand with men and women of law enforcement, and to stand our
economy back up and to create jobs and opportunity that lifts everyone up.
That’s what this election is about.

BARTIROMO:  Senator, we’re going to be talking with President Trump in a
few minutes.

And, of course, as you know, he is contesting the results of this
presidential election because of what he calls massive fraud. How worried
are you about fraud in the Georgia run-off races in January?

LOEFFLER:  Well, Maria, we have a very strong field organization. We are
going to monitor and verify all the signatures. We are going to be right
there and make sure that Georgians can trust this process, because we have
to have integrity in our elections.

And given everything that’s on the line January 5, we’re making sure that
Georgians are fired up to turn out to vote, because, if we don’t vote, we
won’t win. If we vote, we will win this election, and keep America
prosperous and secure for generations to come.

That’s exactly what’s on the ballot. And that’s what I have seen. Georgians
are fired up. I was in South Georgia a few days ago and North Georgia
yesterday. They are ready to go. They’re going to turn out. And we’re
excited to welcome President Trump on Saturday right here in Georgia.

BARTIROMO:  Yes, the president planning to come and help campaign for you
and David Perdue next weekend.

But Stacey Abrams says that she’s now up to 900,000 mail-in ballots. She is
taking credit for delivering Georgia for Biden. She claims she’s already
registered 900,000 Georgians to vote by mail. Some are accusing her of
ballot harvesting, which is legal in some states, but not in Georgia.

How do you prove that? And what is your reaction to an already 900,000
mail-in ballots on the docket, according to Stacey Abrams?

LOEFFLER:  Well, those are not Stacey Abrams ballots.

And Georgia is going to turn out for this, because they do not want a
socialist America. They know everything that is at stake. And that’s
exactly what the president has fought for the last four years. And the
president himself has encouraged Georgians to get out and vote for David
Perdue and myself, because we are standing between America’s future and
socialism.

We are going to stop it right here. And I need all Georgians, I need all
Americans to get involved, to visit https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__KellyforSenate.com&d=DwICAg&c=cnx1hdOQtepEQkpermZGwQ&r=VkbVq-YonEbBIwUJaIvKV3SgloMTL-0dr1cdxo8ZLD8&m=4SXv-o8G1sUg7DrlhpihJFZ2tH4u99tTFl-49KOJTro&s=mPBCBHaXY3gjf_DFTn3LNNz1bjHQeyJD-vsBlzRrmPA&e=  to chip in, to get
involved, to volunteer, because we are going to hold the line right here in
Georgia. We are not going to give up the fight right now.

BARTIROMO:  All right, well, let me ask you about what’s taken place so far
in terms of affecting this vote.

We heard from Andrew Yang, who said:  My wife and I are moving to Georgia.
We want to help the Democrats in the run-off race, Tom Friedman from The
New York Times encouraging people to move to Georgia.

And then there’s all this money coming in, Senator. What can you tell us
about this major donors for — they include Soros-funded Democratic PAC,
which gave $1.5 million and $6.23 million from Bloomberg, Michael
Bloomberg. Eighty percent of the donations to Ossoff and Warnock are from
out-of-state donors in this first election cycle.

What’s the impact on the race?

LOEFFLER:  Well, I’m so proud that David and I — David Perdue and I are
raising funds right here in the state.

But there is a lot of dark liberal money flooding our state. They think
they can buy Georgia and change America into a radical socialist country.
We’re not going to let that happen. We have stood strong and said that we
are going to keep Georgia.

And that’s why it’s so important that everyone turns out to vote to defend
our country, the future of our country. And that’s what President Trump is
going to help Georgians do, is get out and vote, because they know that
everything is on the line right now.

BARTIROMO:  Well, there are reports that Black Lives Matter raised $500,000
for Ossoff and Warnock. Tell me about that.

And you have said that your opponent is more radical than he is letting on.

LOEFFLER:  Well, my opponent, Raphael Warnock, is running ads with puppies
in them to distract from his radical views.

He’s welcomed Fidel Castro into his church, a murderous dictator, a
Marxist. I mean, Raphael Warnock has espoused Marxism and socialism. He
wants to raise our taxes to expand the government, to implement the Green
New Deal, to socialize our medicine, to open our borders, to defund the
police.

This is what he’s hiding from with his puppies and his pizza in his ads.
And I’m making sure that Georgians understand that he’s radical. He’s
backed by radical groups that want to defund the police and change our
country forever.

And we won’t get a second chance. If we don’t stand strong on January 5 and
defend our country, defend our Senate majority, we will lose this country.
And we will not get a second chance to bring it back from socialism.

BARTIROMO:  Senator, what are you doing specifically to ensure that this
race is fair?

This is about Georgians choosing who will represent them, but, of course,
there are a lot of questions right now about Georgia as it relates to the
presidential race and whether or not there was fraud there. What are you
doing now, ahead of the race, to ensure that we should trust this vote?

LOEFFLER:  Well, this is vitally important.

We are getting ahead of it. Look, if anyone commits election fraud, that’s
a felony. We need to hold people accountable where that’s happened. And I’m
glad we’re having a recount for the president. We owe him that. And we need
to get to the bottom of what’s going on.

But we have built a robust field organization. We’re going to make sure
that we’re at those places where they’re observing the ballot openings,
verifying the signatures. We’re going to make sure that is done on every
single signature and that, where there’s fraud, we will hold people
accountable.

That’s a felony. That’s what I want to remind people who think they are
going to move into our state and take our election, fundamentally change
America. We will not stand for it in Georgia.

BARTIROMO:  Now, a lot has been said about the Dominion machines. Dominion
machines are used across Georgia.

Where is the state’s Republican governor, Brian Kemp? And what about the
secretary of state, Raffensperger? He has said signature matching is
impossible at this point.

LOEFFLER:  Well, it certainly is not impossible.

We can match signatures. And we absolutely should be verifying them. We
should be checking the signatures right now. That’s what we’re going to do
for the January 5 election.

Look, the buck stops with the secretary of state. He is supposed to run a
trusted, free, fair, transparent election. David Perdue and I have called
for him to step down because Georgians have lost faith in our elections
here. We can’t have that, not in America. That’s not fair to Georgians who
stood in line, who waited at the polls.

We had problems all the way back at the primary. We had investigations
going on. Now we have got more investigations. We need to get to the bottom
of it and hold people accountable.

I came out of the private sector. That’s what we did in the private sector.
When you made a mistake, you were held accountable. And that’s what we’re
doing right now here in Georgia

BARTIROMO:  Do you have any concerns that Georgians will say, look, look
what happened in the presidential election, I don’t trust this system, my
vote no longer matters, I’m not showing up?

Doug Collins made this concern known about a week ago, saying, Georgians
are worried. They saw what happened in the presidential election. They may
not come out.

LOEFFLER:  Well, Maria, I was with Congressman Collins yesterday. Really
appreciate his endorsement and support of our work here in Georgia.

He’s helping me turn voters out. The president is helping us turn voters
out.

Look, David Perdue and I have had the president’s back. Now the president
has ours.

He’s sending a message to encourage Georgia voters to turn out. We have to
make sure our voices are heard. If we don’t vote, we will not win. But, if
everyone turns out to vote, we will win this election. I’m confident we’re
going to show America and the world that Georgia is a red state.

BARTIROMO:  So, what about those 900,000 ballots? Stacey Abrams has an ad
out right now flipping it from a red state to a blue state, saying, all
hands matter.

What are you going to do about those 900,000 mail-in ballots? Where did
they come from?

LOEFFLER:  Right. Well, that’s what we’re going to be looking into, as we
monitor and verify these signatures, because Stacey Abrams herself has said
that undocumented ballots should count, folks that are not legal citizens
of this country.

We are not going to stand for that. And if there is fraud, we’re going to
hold them accountable. It’s a felony. And we need to make sure people know
that our campaign, we have dedicated the resources. And that’s why we’re
raising our resources online at https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__KellyforSenate.com&d=DwICAg&c=cnx1hdOQtepEQkpermZGwQ&r=VkbVq-YonEbBIwUJaIvKV3SgloMTL-0dr1cdxo8ZLD8&m=4SXv-o8G1sUg7DrlhpihJFZ2tH4u99tTFl-49KOJTro&s=mPBCBHaXY3gjf_DFTn3LNNz1bjHQeyJD-vsBlzRrmPA&e=  to make sure people know
we have the legal resources on the ground right now.

We’re going to be verifying, monitoring these ballot openings, and we’re
not going to stand for that.

BARTIROMO:  All right, Senator, it’s good to see you. We will be watching.
Thank you so much for being here, Senator Kelly Loeffler, joining us in
Georgia this morning.

And now the president of the United States, Donald J. Trump, on the
telephone,

Mr. President thank you very much for being here.

DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES:  Thank you, Maria. Thank you.

BARTIROMO:  It is great to have you.

And I want to say that Americans today have a lot of questions this
morning, Mr. President. We hope that you can be as precise as possible and
we can get through as much as possible this morning.

Thank you for talking with us, in the first interview since Election Day.

Mr. President, you have said many times that this election was rigged, that
there was much fraud, and the facts are on your side. Let’s start there.

Please go through the facts. Characterize what took place.

TRUMP:  Well, first of all, I have to start by saying the whole world is
watching, and nobody can believe what they’re seeing.

And you have leaders of countries that call me, say, that’s the most
messed-up election we have ever seen. You start with these machines that
have been suspect, not allowed to be used in Texas, the Dominion machines,
where tremendous reports have been put out.

We have affidavits on — from many people talking about what went on with
machines. They had glitches. You know what a glitch is. That’s — a glitch
is supposed to be when a machine breaks down.

Well, no, we had glitches where they moved thousands of votes from my
account to Biden’s account. And these are glitches. So, they’re not
glitches. They’re theft. They’re fraud, absolute fraud. And there were many
of them, but, obviously, most of them  tremendous amounts, got by without
us catching.

We got lucky to catch them. I think we caught four or five glitches of
about 5,000 votes each, and different states. And, again, they’re not
glitches. That was fraud. And they got caught.

But, for the most part, they got away with it. And what happened, if you
watched the election, I was called by the biggest people, saying,
congratulations, political people. Congratulations, sir. You just won the
election. It was 10:00. And you looked at the numbers. And I’m sure you
felt that way.

This election was over. And then they did dumps. They call them dumps, big,
massive dumps, in Michigan, Pennsylvania, and all over. If you take a look
at — you just take a look at just about every state that we’re talking
about, every swing state that we’re talking about.

And they did these massive dumps of votes. And, all of a sudden, I went
from winning by a lot to losing by a little. And, in some cases, it took a
period of time to do it. North Carolina, they couldn’t do it. I won North
Carolina. They couldn’t — somehow, they had a better system. But they
couldn’t do anything. I believe they tried. We have affidavits.

But they couldn’t do anything with the — really a great place, North
Carolina. We appreciate the incredible work they put in. And we won.

But they did tens of thousands of — tens of thousands of Biden votes. And,
all of a sudden, I went from — and I could tell you, the people that were
calling me congratulating me are people that you know very well, friends of
your show. They said, it’s over.

I said, well, I hear bad things about the machines. I hear bad things about
corruption.

One of your great pollsters, who actually got it right — you know the
gentleman I’m talking about — he said, well, Trump is going to win
Pennsylvania, but you have to allow at least 5 percent for cheating,
because they cheat.

BARTIROMO:  Right.

TRUMP:  And that’s in Philadelphia and various areas around Philadelphia.
They cheat, and they cheat like crazy. So, we have him winning
Pennsylvania, but you have to allow five points for cheating.

This is a terrible thing that’s happened. The mail-in ballots were — are a
disaster. They sent millions and millions and millions of mail-in ballots.
I’m sure you know people that got two, three, or four, because I do, where
they said, you know, we got four ballots. They got one at a country home.
Dead people were seeing ballots.

But, even worse, dead people were applying to get a ballot. They were
making application to get ballots, many. And, you know, we’re not talking
about 10 people. We’re talking — there are a lot of dead people that so-
called voted in this election.

But dead people were, in some cases, in many, many cases, thousands of
cases, voted, but, also, dead people made application to vote. They were
dead 10 years, 15 years, and they actually made application.

This is total fraud. And how the FBI and Department of Justice — I don’t
know. Maybe they are involved. But how people are allowed to get away from
this stuff — with this stuff is unbelievable.

This election was rigged. This election was a total fraud. And it continues
to be, as they hide. And the problem we have, we go to judges, and people
don’t want to get involved. The media doesn’t even want to cover it.

I mean, you’re doing something. You’re actually very brave, because you’re
doing something.

The media doesn’t want to talk about it. They know how fraudulent this is.
It’s no different than Hunter. It’s no different than Hunter. They don’t
want to talk about Hunter, so they totally closed it off, big tech and the
media, other than The New York Post, as you remember, which took a lot of
heat.

BARTIROMO:  Yes.

TRUMP:  It was terminated. It was terminated from…

BARTIROMO:  Yes.

TRUMP:  … I guess, Twitter, maybe Facebook.

But it’s a situation, the likes of which — we don’t have freedom of the
press in this country. We have suppression by the press. They suppress. You
can’t have a scandal if nobody reports about it.

This is the greatest fraud in the history of our country, from an electoral
standpoint. And I guess you could build it up bigger than an electoral
stand — what’s bigger from an electoral standpoint? What is bigger than
this?

This is the essence of our country. This is the whole ball game. And they
cheated.

Joe Biden did not get 80 million votes. Now, we were — we were planning —
we — I got 63 million votes four years ago and won quite handily in the
Electoral College, won quite handily. We did very well. I got 63.

We were hoping to get 68 or so. And we felt that was a path to an easy
victory. I got 74 million votes…

BARTIROMO:  Yes.

TRUMP:  … the largest in the history of a sitting president, so much
more, many millions more than anyone thought — you know, than we were even
trying to get.

And everybody said, this is over. I’m telling you, at 10:00, everybody
thought it was over.

BARTIROMO:  Right.

TRUMP:  And then the phony — then the phony mail-ins started coming in,
Maria.

But, just so you understand, I got 74 million votes. It was over. And then
mail-in started happening.

BARTIROMO:  Yes.

TRUMP:  Glitches started happening.

This election was rigged. This election is a total fraud.

BARTIROMO:  Mr. President, these are obviously very serious charges.

And I want to walk through them and ask you how you will prove this in the
courts, because, as you know, what I have been saying on the air is that
elections are the reason that our young men and women go on battlefields
across the world and, in some cases, lose their lives, because they believe
that their vote, my vote matters just as much as your vote.

And if that is not true, this is a very serious turning point for America.

So, this is no longer about you, President Trump. This is about America.
And many people agree with you. According to Reuters, 68 percent of
Republicans and 28 percent of all Americans — that includes Democrats —
believe there was fraud in this election.

So, let’s go through some of the states, the six states that your team is
challenging.

What specific strategy does your legal team take going forward?

Let’s start with Pennsylvania. I know you said that you have a pile of
affidavits. That’s part of the evidence. What other evidence can you talk
about that will enable you to prove this in court in the coming weeks, sir?

TRUMP:  Well, we’re trying to put the evidence in. And the judges won’t
allow us to do it.

We are trying. We have so much evidence. We — you probably saw, on
Wednesday of last week, we had a hearing in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania. It
was an incredible hearing, unbelievable witnesses, highly respected people,
that were truly aggrieved.

A woman came in, and she wanted to vote, and they said, no, I’m sorry you
can’t vote. You have already voted. Your ballot is in. And she said, no,
no, I want to vote on November 3. I have been waiting for so long to vote.
I’m so proud. I want to vote. They said, your ballot is in. I’m sorry. And
that was the story. And she was aggrieved.

And you have many people like that, many, many people like that, at a level
that nobody would even believe. And that’s where it is, Maria. That’s —
that’s one story. By the way, that’s one story out of so many different
stories.

You know, the poll watchers — and this is true with all of the states,
just about, that you’re talking about, I think all of them. They weren’t
allowed to have poll watchers. The Democrats and thugs, thugs — I’m not
talking about saying, could you please move over? They threw them out of
the counting rooms. They weren’t allowed to be in. They threw them outside
in many cases.

You heard the story where the people, they went out and sent for
binoculars, because they wouldn’t allow them to watch. And during that
period of time, a lot of bad things happened. Then they closed — as you
know, they closed up the voting, and then for — unexpectedly. They closed
up all of the counting.

Unexpectedly, new ballots came in. And it was all new numbers being added.
We have pictures and we have evidence of new ballots being brought into
counting rooms.

Maria, there’s never been anything like this in history. And it all started
with the mail-in. But it also goes to Dominion. It goes to a lot of things.
But the mail-in, millions and millions of ballots being shipped all over,
and ballots — as you know, there were a lot of ballots where it was just
Biden on top. They didn’t do anything else, because they were in a rush.

And from what everybody is saying, and from what — I don’t think we even
have to prove this. They say that I was doing so much better than they
thought that they panicked, and they started just doing ballot after ballot
very quickly and just checking the Biden name on top. They didn’t have
time.

So, you have all these ballots with just one name checked. People don’t
vote that way. People don’t vote that way. They want to vote against taxes,
and they want to vote for judges, and they want to vote for a lot of other
things that you have on the ballot, you know, different — different races,
including Congress. And they were just checked on top. Tremendous numbers
of ballots like that. And that was done for the sake of speed.

We have stories that are unbelievable. But we’re not allowed to put in our
proof. They say, you don’t have standing.

I said, I’d like to file — to the lawyers, I would like to file one nice,
big, beautiful lawsuit, talking about this and many other things, with
tremendous proof. We have tremendous — we have affidavits. We have
hundreds and hundreds of affidavits, like the people that you saw the other
day in Pennsylvania, willing to sign, under penalty of perjury — you go to
jail — willing to sign, unlike Comey, who didn’t go to jail for lying, by
the way, and McCabe, who didn’t go to jail for lying, which is an amazing
thing to me.

We might as well bring it up.

But, under perjury, you go to jail. We have hundreds, getting to be
thousands — they are coming in all the time. And these are respected
people. These are people that are putting their lives at risk. And they
don’t want to take the affidavits. Then they say we don’t have proof.

I wanted to file one suit, Donald J. Trump, president of the United States,
against — and put everything into one simple suit. And they say, sir, you
don’t have standing. I say, I don’t have standing? You mean, as president
of the United States, I don’t have standing?

What kind of a court system is this? And the judges stay away from it.
There is out there, Maria, because everyone knows — you gave numbers. I
had a number. Seventy-nine percent — it just came out. Seventy-nine
percent of the Republicans think the election was a fraud.

And I hear 35, 40 percent of the Democrats. But they aren’t going to put it
down anyway, because they’re not going to say, we think it…

BARTIROMO:  Yes.

TRUMP:  But they all — I think most of them think it was a fraud.

I watched you with Kelly.

BARTIROMO:  There’s a lot of — yes.

TRUMP:  Look at the election — look at the election you have coming up
right now. You’re using the same garbage machinery, Dominion.

And she’s going around, Abrams, she’s going around screaming that she’s got
800,000 or 850,000 ballots.

BARTIROMO:  Right.

TRUMP:  What kind of an election is it? She’s going around collecting
votes.

What kind of an election is this? What kind of a country are we living in
now, where you can vote for months ahead of schedule? And then the other
thing we have — and Justice Alito, highly respected, a great man, Justice
Alito seems to have big problems.

But the election ended, and they gave people an extension to vote. That’s
never happened before. In other words, the election ended, but we will give
you more time, if you want to vote.

And what I understand is, they didn’t think it was good either, so they
backdated all these ballots that came in. They had people — and we have
affidavits on that too — they had people backdating ballots, so that if a
— somebody came in the 4th or 5th or 6th, which was illegal because the
legislature didn’t approve it, which everything has to be approved the
legislature.

And they had judges making deals. And they had electoral officials making
deals, like this character in Georgia, who is a disaster. And the
governor’s done nothing. He’s done absolutely nothing. I’m ashamed that I
endorsed him.

But you — I look at what’s going on. It’s so terrible. But what happened
in this election, Maria, I can’t imagine has ever happened before. They
stuffed the ballot boxes.

You know, I have been hearing that expression for many years. You have too,
stuffed the ballot — they stuffed the ballot boxes. And they used COVID as
a means to stuff the ballot boxes.

Joe Biden did not get 16 million more votes than Barack Hussein Obama. He
didn’t get it.

BARTIROMO:  Well…

TRUMP:  Joe Biden did not get 14 million more votes than Hillary Clinton.

And, by the way, he didn’t beat Obama in the black communities. You go to
some of these communities where Obama is very, very popular, and he beats
him in some of these communities, but all throughout the rest of the United
States, in a black community, he does — he does, actually, poorly. He
doesn’t do very well.

BARTIROMO:  Well…

TRUMP:  But he beats Obama in swing states.

Now, think of that. He beat Obama in swing states. You know that didn’t
happen. They stuffed the ballot box. Everybody knows that.

BARTIROMO:  This is — these are some of the impossible statistics that we
have found. And this is from the Federalist article. They call it Biden
magic.

And they list a number of ways that Joe Biden magically outperformed
election norms. They include 80 million votes, including a record black and
Hispanic turnout for you, President Trump, winning despite losing most
bellwether counties. Typically, when you win the bellwether counties, like
you did, the president wins.

Biden trailed Clinton, except in a select few cities. Biden won despite
Democrat losses everywhere else in the House. Kevin McCarthy is still
celebrating wins in the House of Representatives. Biden also overcame your
commanding primary vote.

So, there are certainly statistic impossibilities, and The Federalist calls
it magic, as you refer to.

Mr. President, will you be able to prove that the computers can circumvent
the controls that are in place? A lot of people say, oh, no, we have
controls in place. There are paper ballots. The computers cannot get
through the controls that are in place.

Can you do that?

TRUMP:  Yes.

BARTIROMO:  And, secondly, in terms of Pennsylvania, your team got a blow
on Friday, an appeals court rejecting the request to block the
certification of Pennsylvania’s election results.

Your attorneys have said they will appeal to the Supreme Court. Give us
your timing on that. Will you get a different outcome in the next couple of
days? Will we be hearing a victory in Pennsylvania in the next couple of
days?

TRUMP:  OK. Well, let me just talk about The Federalist paper just for a
second, because you mentioned it.

There are five points. And it was written brilliantly, but sarcastically,
because they were saying, he must be a great campaigner, because he lost
here, he lost here, he lost here, and he won the election.

If a president — this is over a long, many period — hundreds of years, a
hundred years or something. They went into all of the elections. If you win
one of the five points — I won all five — if you win one of the five
points, you become president. You automatically — a sitting president gets
reelected.

I won all five, and I still lost. There was only one reason for that:
fraud, stuffing the ballot box, all of the things that they did. There’s
only one reason. And everybody knows it.

And your numbers are much different. It’s — this country, I cannot believe
it. There’s more spirit. I see more spirit right now. This country cannot
have fake elections, like we have fake news, like we have all of the things
happening with big tech.

It’s — I mean, there’s a tremendous move on to repeal Section 230. Big
tech has no liability. They can do whatever they want. It’s ridiculous. But
there’s a big move to do that. I don’t know if the politicians have the
guts to do it, but they are hurting themselves very badly.

There are so many different things.

Yes, we will be appealing different cases, Maria. You know, it’s not only
our case. Mike Kelly, great congressman, as you know, from Pennsylvania,
has a great case. He won — well, he had a good decision. Then he went a
step above, and they turned him down. I think that was in Pennsylvania.

I think he’s got a great appeal to the United States Supreme Court, Act 77,
where the legislature is supposed to approve all this stuff, and they had
it approved by local officials or a judge. I think it’s a great case. But
I’m sure they will be appealing too. They have a fantastic case.

A lot of the cases that have been lost haven’t been our cases. They’re
people that are aggrieved that went out and filed lawsuits because they saw
things happening that they have never seen before.

A poll watcher — I have a lot of respect for Ken Starr. And I watched him
on your show, actually.

And a poll watcher is like a sacred person in the world of politics. They
watch. They watch. They call them partisan poll — because they are, like,
a Republican poll watcher, a Democrat poll watcher.

They watch the votes being counted. It’s so important. It is, like, the
most important. Otherwise, people will cheat, unfortunately. So, poll
watchers are very important. Our poll watchers didn’t just get set back,
which they did. They got thrown out of buildings in different states.

They were thrown out of — and this is a well-coordinated attack, because
you don’t do it with everybody. Maybe it would happen in Philadelphia, but
it wouldn’t happen in Detroit. Now, Detroit and Philadelphia, Milwaukee,
these are among the most dishonest political places in use. Just look at
the past history. I’m not being rude to anybody. These are highly corrupt
locations politically.

But poll watchers were walked out by thugs out of the building. And you
have it all over the news. We could give you everything you need. All you
have to do is — local news covers it, actually, much differently than
national news. National news doesn’t like covering anything that would be
like that. They don’t — they don’t — they do not report the news.

That’s why I call them fake news. But they have never been fake like they
are now. Now they are a disgrace. But the news is the enemy. The — our —
our newspapers, major newspapers and major networks are truly the enemy of
the people in this country. They are very dangerous. And big tech is making
them even more dangerous.

But they got rid of poll watchers.

BARTIROMO:  I’m going to get back to — yes.

TRUMP:  Go ahead.

BARTIROMO:  I’m going to get back to big tech, because this is a critical
part of this story, Mr. President.

But if you take out the contested swing states’ electoral votes, you’re
back down to President Trump having 232 electoral votes and Joe Biden
having 227. That is if you strip out the six states with the legal
challenges.

TRUMP:  That’s right.

BARTIROMO:  So, is the thinking here that, because of the various ballot
issues, that the Supreme Court will rule that the vote is tainted, and that
will mean that they have to take votes away from Biden and not certify? Is
that the thinking?

And, secondly, what’s your timing on this, Mr. President?

TRUMP:  That’s right.

BARTIROMO:  Because we have got some notable election dates here that I
want to ask you what you believe you consider to be your drop-dead date in
terms of proving this case.

TRUMP:  Well, I…

BARTIROMO:  Is it December 18…

TRUMP:  Yes.

BARTIROMO:  … when the states finalize elector appointments, or when
electors cast votes in each state?

Is it the vice president receiving electoral votes? Is it the House and
Senate counting electoral votes? Or is it Inauguration Day, January 20? How
do you see it?

TRUMP:  Well, I don’t want to give you an actual date.

A lot of people say the 18th, or they say the 14th, or they say January 20.
I’m not going to say a date. But I will say, we have to move very fast. We
have been moving fast.

And, look, when you say, is it tainted, everyone knows it’s tainted.
Everyone knows that the poll watchers were thrown out of buildings.
Everyone knows that people were not allowed to vote when they walked in, so
preciously, so beautifully, to vote.

An elderly woman — we have her deposition — was told — who longed to
vote, looked forward to the day of November 3, was told when she got in
there, I’m sorry, you voted.

And then they give her another ballot to sign, which they don’t use,
because she already voted. That’s how brazen they are. They will actually
vote people, knowing that there’s a good chance that those people will
come. And there were thousands of those people.

And, by the way, just to set the record straight, because a couple of these
cases were dismissed because they didn’t have enough votes, enough bad
tainted votes, so that you would overturn the state.

No. In all cases, we have many times. I don’t even know where the judges
would have gotten that information. We have thousands and thousands and
tens of thousands of votes more than we need.

In other words, if I lost a state by 9,000 votes, or if I lost Georgia by,
let’s say, 12,000 votes, we have tens of thousands more votes than that. We
don’t have it where we found nine dead people, and, therefore, we want you
to turn over the state and give us those electoral votes, in all cases. And
yet judges are — one judge was saying, we didn’t have the votes to turn it
over. Therefore, it’s meaningless.

In other words, if you don’t have the votes, I understand that, if you had
far fewer votes than the amount.

Now, in one way, you could also say, it’s so fraudulent, when they make up
— when they are voting for dead people, and when dead people are signing
applications, meaning they’re not, meaning somebody else is fraudulently
signing, I mean, in the name of a dead person, well, that tells you a lot.

But we actually have thousands of votes, many — in some cases, hundreds of
thousands of votes more than we need in every swing state that we’re
talking about.

BARTIROMO:  Mr. President, have you received from your chief of Cyber
Command any briefing on electronic interference from either internal or
external influences?

Have you received this briefing?

TRUMP:  We’re dealing with John Ratcliffe, who is fantastic. We’re dealing
with other people.

And we don’t always get — they have been there for a long time, Maria.
It’s a long story. It’s a long story. We’re disappointed that other people,
more people didn’t get involved, because this is a fraud. This is a fraud
against the American people. It’s a fraud against the United States of
America. And we’re disappointed that some people don’t get more involved.

Like, this character on “60 Minutes,” they’re putting him on. This guy —
we had so many things. He’s talking about how honest the election is. Well,
how come there are thousands of dead people voting? How come there are all
these other people voting that shouldn’t be voting? How come we find
thousands of votes?

How come poll watchers — every vote that went through an election area, a
count — what — they call it a counting area, where our poll watchers were
locked out of the building outside, standing outside, or standing so far
away that you couldn’t see, where they literally went out and sent for
binoculars — you’re supposed to be right next to that vote.

Well, every one of them is a fraud. So, how can he say — I mean, other
than he’s an anti-Trumper, how can this guy say that there was no fraud?
“60 Minutes,” by the way, never called us for comment. They do a piece on
somebody, they don’t call us for comment.

But when you don’t have a poll watcher, and thousands of votes are passing
that area, where you’re supposed to have a poll watcher to see that
everything is on the up-and-up, well, those are votes that count toward us.
Those are — and those are thousands of votes. And they were done in many
of the states, swing states, that we’re talking about.

BARTIROMO:  Where is the DOJ and the FBI in all of this, Mr. President? You
have laid out some serious charges here. Shouldn’t this be something that
the FBI is investigating? Are they?

TRUMP:  Missing in action.

BARTIROMO:  Is the DOJ investigating?

TRUMP:  Missing in action. Can’t tell you where they are. I ask, are they
looking at it? Everyone says, yes, they’re looking at it.

Look, where are they with Comey, McCabe, and all these other people? I said
I will stay out of it. I wish I didn’t make that statement. There’s no
reason, really, why I have to.

But where are they with Comey, with McCabe, with Brennan, with all these
people? They lied to Congress. They lied. They leaked. They spied on our
campaign. I see Carter Page is bringing a lawsuit. That’s good news. Where
are they with all of this stuff?

And what happened to Durham? Where’s Durham? So, you’re asking me a
question. These people have been there a long time. And I know FBI. And FBI
is great at the levels that we talk about.

But I just — it’s inconceivable. You would think, if you’re in the FBI or
Department of Justice, this is — this is the biggest thing you could be
looking at.

Where are they? I have not seen anything. I mean, I just — they just keep
moving along, and they go on to the next president. They have been there
for a long time. People don’t understand this. They have been there for a
long time. Some of them have served a lot of different presidents.

BARTIROMO:  Well…

TRUMP:  And they have their own views.

All I can say is, I haven’t heard — with all of the fraud that’s taken
place, nobody has come to me and said, oh, the FBI has nabbed the people
that are doing this game; the FBI is looking at Dominion, which nobody even
knows where they’re based, which nobody even knows where the votes are
counted.

You know, the votes in Dominion, they say, are counted in foreign
countries, OK? Can you believe this?

BARTIROMO:  I mean…

TRUMP:  Now, Dominion is also based in a number of foreign countries.

One of them is Canada. And Canada refuses to use Dominion. And they’re
based there. They don’t — they won’t get anywhere near it. Texas will not
get anywhere near Dominion.

I spoke with the attorney general. I spoke with a lot of different people.
Texas — you should see the reports that Texas wrote on Dominion. They
wouldn’t use them. They wouldn’t — under any circumstance, they wouldn’t
use them. So, they — as you probably have heard.

But Canada does paper votes. And the only way this is going to be safe is
paper votes. Even the mailmen — look, the mailmen are carrying thousands
of ballots back and forth, back and forth. There are many mailmen that are
in big trouble for selling ballots, getting rid of ballots.

This is the craziest thing you have ever seen.

BARTIROMO:  Well, it seems to me…

TRUMP:  But many ballots — many ballots with the name Trump on were thrown
out. You have read that. They found ballots in a river with the name Trump
on from the military. They were signed. And they were floating in a river.

They found ballots under rocks that had the name Trump on. They were
signed. They were signed with Trump.

We won the election easily. There’s no way Joe Biden got 80 million votes.
I just said, there’s no way Joe Biden beat Barack Obama in the black
communities of various cities, and then he did very badly compared to Obama
in other cities throughout the United States.

There’s no way it happened.

BARTIROMO:  This…

TRUMP:  This election was a fraud.

BARTIROMO:  This is….

TRUMP:  It was a rigged election.

BARTIROMO:  This is disgusting. And we cannot allow America’s election to
be corrupted. We cannot.

So, you believe you can prove that the computers can circumvent any
controls that are in place?

And before we leave the subject of Durham, I feel like something happened
in September. I don’t know what happened, but we were all expecting Durham
to come out and A.G. Barr to be aggressive. He told me back in June that
mail-in ballots open the floodgates of fraud.

Why wasn’t anything done about it? Why weren’t there surveillance cameras
to shoot what we know now to be trucks backing up ballots, for example, in
Michigan?

And, finally, this question. Will you appoint a special counsel to
investigate and to continue the investigating into what took place in the
2016 election? You mentioned Jim Comey and Andrew McCabe not facing
accountability. Will you appoint a special counsel?

TRUMP:  By the way, Comey and McCabe, that’s the least of it.

You talk about the Logan Act. They used the Logan Act on General Flynn, who
I was very proud to pardon. But they wanted to use and they did use the
Logan Act on General Flynn. And you know where that started.

Look, this whole thing is a terrible situation. This should have never been
allowed to happen. And, you know, it’s an embarrassment to our country. All
over the world, they’re talking about it.

And, yes, I would consider a special prosecutor, because, you know, this is
not a counsel. It sounds so nice. I went through three years of a special
counsel, prosecutor. I call prosecutor, because it’s a much more accurate
term.

They spent $48 million, Weissmann and all Trump haters. They spent $48
million. That was the Mueller investigation. They went through taxes. They
went through everything. For $48 million, you look at everything. And they
found no collusion, no nothing. They found nothing, after friends of mine
said, you must be the cleanest guy in the world, because nobody could have
gone through an examination like that.

And then they announced we have no collusion. There was none. And Marco
Rubio said, President Trump, with the Senate Judiciary hearings, absolutely
was totally uninvolved. He had nothing to do with Russia, OK?

It was a Russia, Russia hoax. It was just pure hoax. It was a pure hoax and
a very — a very sad thing for the country.

And as much as I have done — and I think I have done more than virtually –
– in four years more than any president in history, with Space Force and
tax cuts, biggest regulation cuts in history, biggest tax cuts in history,
the vets, the VA — as much as I have done, I could have done more, except
that I was under investigation for almost the entire — from the day I came
down the escalator, with what — what turned out to be our future first
lady, who is very popular, by the way.

But when I came down the escalator, from very shortly thereafter — and you
know this almost better than anybody else — I was under investigation.
Now, at the time, I didn’t know it, but I was.

All they do is investigate. Then they send everything they have into New
York, when I beat them in the federal. I beat them in federal. They send
everything into New York. Oh, let them take a crack at it.

What’s going on in this country is not to be believed. I could say some
very strong words, where this country has gone over the last 10 or 15
years. But it’s not to be believed.

And we were changing it. If I got in or get in, we will very quickly have
deals with Iran. But now they are going to give the ship away. They will
pay hundreds of billions of dollars to Iran.

China didn’t want me in, because we were beating China so badly. And now
they are going to go to — China actually, actually stated — you probably
heard it — two days ago, we want a deal with the United States, but we
don’t like America first. And now the Democrats are saying, oh, we won’t
use America first.

America first is exactly what it is, America first. We have to take care of
ourselves first, and then we can help others. But we have to take care of
ourselves first, or we won’t have a country.

But that’s where we are, Maria. It’s a very sad thing.

Why isn’t the FBI all over the place? They’re not. They’re not. It’s an
incredible thing. They’re not. And it’s an embarrassment to our country.

BARTIROMO:  Mr. President, confirm that your cases will reach the Supreme
Court in the next two weeks. Confirm that for us.

And, also, what do you want to say to people like — businesspeople like,
for example, Jamie Dimon, the CEO of J.P. Morgan, who said, it’s time to
move on and unify and accept the results, or Stephen Schwarzman, who is a
supporter of you, who said, soon, we will have to move on?

And what about the ramifications of the Supreme Court agreeing with you?
Are you worried that we could see riots and — when you have people who
don’t agree with you, they think it’s just fine to throw bricks through
your window and force small businesses to board up.

Are you worried about unrest and rioting should the Supreme Court agree
with you?

TRUMP:  So, the people that we have and the people that are so committed to
this like I have never seen, I think almost they have more spirit now than
they do even before the election.

All of the people, these are not rioting types. But they are stronger. They
are smarter. They are more successful. Antifa is bad news. Nobody wants to
do anything with Antifa except me. If I wasn’t here, Antifa would be
running this country right now. They’d be running the country.

They always like to blame the radical right. It’s not the radical right.
It’s the radical left. And it’s largely Antifa and groups like this. And
nobody even wants to talk about them. Nobody wants to talk about what
they’re doing in Portland and what they’re doing in Chicago and what
they’re doing in New York.

And they club people over the heads when nobody is looking, and then nobody
talks about it. It’s a disgrace. It’s absolutely a disgrace. And if I’m not
here — I’m sort of your wall. You know, we’re completing the wall, like I
said I would. Everyone said, you would never be able to do it.

I got — that’s another one I got built. And it’s had a huge impact. We
have the best numbers we have ever had on the Southern border. People come
in, but they come in legally. But the wall is almost complete.

And, to be honest, we look, and we see all of the different problems, MS-
13. We take care of it. We bring thousands of MS-13 back to where they came
from. We don’t want them here. We bring them back.

But Antifa is a real problem in this country. And nobody wants to take them
on. It’s disgraceful. It’s disgraceful.

BARTIROMO:  Which cases specifically will reach the Supreme Court, and
when?

TRUMP:  Well, the problem is, it’s hard to get into the Supreme Court.

I have got the best Supreme Court advocates, lawyers, that want to argue
the case, if it gets there. But they said it’s very hard to get a case up
there.

Can you imagine? Donald Trump, president of the United States, files a
case, and I probably can’t get a case, even with — and we have tremendous
proof. We have hundreds and hundreds of affidavits, sworn affidavits. And
it’s very hard to get a case to the Supreme Court. That’s what everybody is
fighting for.

I thought that Mike Kelly, congressman, I thought they had a great case,
and it got thrown out the other day. Now, they will appeal it, I hope, to
the Supreme Court. They have a great case, because the legislature didn’t
make the decision on this stuff. And they have a great case.

But you have to appeal it. The big thing is, can you get it? We could have
a great case. We do have a great case. We have the greatest case ever. We
have many different forms of fraud. It’s not just one form. It’s ballot
fraud. It’s — it’s many — we have it all documented. And we have
tremendous evidence.

So, we will say, we want to show you the evidence. And then the judge will
say, they didn’t show us the evidence.

That’s what we want to do. We want to have hearings to show the evidence.
The time people started seeing evidence was in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania,
when people started showing it. You probably saw that. Great people came
forward with affidavits, signed affidavits.

We have hundreds of people like that, hundreds and hundreds. They make it
like we don’t have evidence.

BARTIROMO:  So…

TRUMP:  We have evidence all over the place.

BARTIROMO:  But…

TRUMP:  And, by the way, you asked about the machines, Dominion.

BARTIROMO:  Is there a path to victory?

TRUMP:  Yes, I hope so, for the good of the country. It will take a brave
judge or a brave legislature.

You know, we’re — Rudy Giuliani, he takes a lot of heat. Let me tell you,
that guy is — he has guts, because we have had lawyers that were afraid to
go forward because they were threatened, viciously threatened. They — we
have lawyers, Maria, good lawyers, that had to leave the case in the middle
because they were threatened, absolutely threatened, both psychologically
and otherwise.

And they left the case, numerous, numerous firms, good firms doing a good
job. And, all of a sudden, we end up having to scramble to get a case
ready.

What’s going on has never — nobody has ever seen anything like this. It
will take a brave judge or justice, or both, Supreme Court justice.

BARTIROMO:  Well, it sounds like, if you can’t — if — it sounds like, if
you can’t be heard by the Supreme Court, you lose.

Do you believe you will win this?

TRUMP:  We should be heard by the Supreme Court. Something has to be able
to get up there. Otherwise, what is the Supreme Court?

If election fraud at the highest level anyone has ever seen, with
tremendous evidence, in a presidential election, if a man gets 80 million
votes, and he’s not even close to that number, Maria — look, again, I
don’t want to bore you with this. He did not beat President Obama in areas
where they said he beat President Obama.

In fact, the black community had very little enthusiasm for Joe Biden. You
know that. You have been reporting on that, very little enthusiasm for Joe
Biden. The Hispanic community has very little enthusiasm for Joe Biden. He
didn’t get those numbers.

And, by the way, I got the most — I was the most successful with the
Hispanic and the black communities. I was unbelievably successful. You saw
that, record, record numbers.

BARTIROMO:  Yes.

Oh, we have talked about that a lot.

TRUMP:  So, how did Joe Biden get all these votes? How did he get up to 80
million? How did he get up to 80 million votes?

BARTIROMO:  Yes.

TRUMP:  And, again, I told you, we wanted to get 67, 68 votes, and we felt
we had it made.

John McLaughlin couldn’t believe it.

BARTIROMO:  Mr…

TRUMP:  John McLaughlin is a legitimate pollster, not one that says…

BARTIROMO:  Yes.

TRUMP:  … I’m 17 points down in Wisconsin, and then end up really,
effectively, winning.

They tried to take it away. We will see what happens with Wisconsin, but
essentially winning. Seventeen points a couple of days before the election,
and — and I really won the state. They were 17 points off. Think of that,
17 points off.

This is…

BARTIROMO:  Mr. President…

TRUMP:  This is also — by the way, this is also corruption, Maria. This is
also corruption, because they’re not that stupid.

BARTIROMO:  I want to ask you two more questions before we wrap up.

I want to get your take on how much of an influence on this election was
big tech and the media. We know that the media declared Joe Biden
president-elect on November 7. They set the narrative that the election was
over and discredited any challenges.

Big tech and the media have been censoring you, and getting more aggressive
at it. The president of the United States and others being censored
literally during a constitutional crisis, what can you do about it?

TRUMP:  It’s massively powerful. It’s massively corrupt, the media and big
tech.

Section 230 should be taken out, because that’s their protection that was
given artificially to them. But it’s a massive form of corruption and
silence and suppression.

Like, for instance, this conversation that we’re having right now, they
will only take if there’s something that was slightly off, like you or I
had mispronounced a word, or you or I this — that will be the story.

It is — and yet they won’t talk about Hunter Biden, never talk about
Hunter Biden, stole millions and millions of dollars. And if you do talk
about him, they take you off their platforms.

No, it’s massively corrupt. I think what happened is, in 2016, where I won,
I caught them by surprise. I got them by surprise. And they said, this is –
– we’re not going to let — I don’t know why, though, because business has
never been better.

We got hit by a pandemic, but, prior to the pandemic, I had the highest
numbers in history. And even now, the stock market just hit an all-time
high during a pandemic. And what did I do? I came up with vaccines that
people didn’t think we’d have for five years. And we have them. They are
going to be distributed in two weeks.

I mean, think of what we have done. And nobody’s done it like this. And
we’re doing much better than Europe, by the way. You never hear about
Europe. We’re doing better than the rest of the world. We’re doing better.

But we have two vaccines. We’re coming up with another one. Johnson &
Johnson is coming up with one. We will have four or five great vaccines
four or five years ahead of schedule. People hardly talk about that.

And they will try and claim — they will try and say that Biden came up
with the vaccines.

But, actually, I watched — I watched a few of the shows last night. I got
to see a couple of them. And Mark Levin was fantastic last night. Mark was
great, talking about the vaccines. His show was great. I guess they had it
on, like, last night sometime. And he was great.

And so many others are great. Sean Hannity, he knows. He gets it. He gets
it.

But Mark Levin…

BARTIROMO:  Well, Mr. President…

TRUMP:  Mark Levin — Mark Levin said it very well last night.

But you have people that get it. But people are afraid to speak out.

So, it is the power of the media. There’s no question about it. But, with
all that power, we won the race. This was corruption, because we got far
more votes than him. We got 74 million votes. He did not get anywhere near
80.

And that’s 74 before they throw away — you know, they threw away ballots.
They threw away many Trump ballots. That’s the easiest way they could
cheat. But we got 74 million votes. He didn’t get anywhere close to 80
million votes.

BARTIROMO:  And you believe you will be able to prove this in the coming
weeks?

TRUMP:  Well, I’m going to use 125 percent of my energy to do it.

You need a judge that’s willing to hear a case. You need a Supreme Court
that’s willing to make a real big decision, based on everything that —
it’s not like you’re going to change my mind.

In other words, my mind will not change in six months. There was tremendous
cheating here. Boxes were brought in. The mail-in vote is a disaster.

And, by the way, if Republicans allow it to happen, you will never have
another Republican elected in the history of this country at a Senate level
or at a presidential level. You will never — or at a House level. Mail-in
voting is a total disaster.

One thing that did happen, very interesting, we won all the state houses.
We won Congress, everything. And Kevin McCarthy gives me a massive amount
of credit for what happened. Look what — we were supposed to lose seats.
We didn’t lose one seat. And we gained many. And others — we’re leading in
others.

And, by the way, you know why the votes aren’t in yet; there are like five
or six others? Because the mail-in voting is all screwed up on
congressional races.

And we held the Senate, OK?

BARTIROMO:  Yes.

TRUMP:  And I’m the only one — they say it’s statistically impossible.

I led the charge. We won state houses, we won Congress, we won the Senate,
and I lost.

They say it’s statistically impossible for that to happen.

BARTIROMO:  It’s all quite extraordinary.

Mr. President, we want to thank you so much for joining me today. And thank
you for your work on Operation Warp Speed. You told us we would have a
vaccine by year-end.

TRUMP:  Yes.

BARTIROMO:  And now we have got three.

Thank you so much, President Donald Trump.

TRUMP:  Thank you very much. Thank you very much, Maria. Bye.

BARTIROMO:  Thank you, sir.

Joining me right now with analysis of what we heard from the president is
Judge Ken Starr, former independent counsel and a FOX News contributor.

Ken, thanks very much for joining us.

From what you heard from President Trump, do you believe he has a path to
victory?

KEN STARR, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR:  It’s difficult, but I understand the
president’s frustration.

The anecdotes are so numerous. You have heard them. I have heard them. But
the difficulty now is translating those allegations and intuitions and the
reports into actual admissible evidence in court.

And he mentioned Rudy Giuliani. I love Rudy, but Rudy, in the Pennsylvania
litigation — let’s just take that, because its been the most recent, with
a Third Circuit opinion affirming what the district judge did. The
president referred to that.

Rudy said, according to the opinion, this case is not about fraud.

Well, at this stage, we need to have the evidence. So, I can sense the
president’s frustration, given all the reports that he has, given all the
anecdotes that we have not seen in court, if these — of — I — shall I
just say the kind of proof that will lead to victory.

BARTIROMO:  Yes.

STARR:  But there are all these statistical anomalies.

The president is so right…

(CROSSTALK)

BARTIROMO:  Do — will he be able — will he be able to get these heard by
the Supreme Court, Ken? Will he be able to get these heard by the Supreme
Court?

STARR:  He certainly can get a couple of these platforms, so to speak,
heard, yes. The answer to that is to yes, if the court chooses to do so.

BARTIROMO:  OK.

STARR:  So, the answer to that is yes.

But the path to victory, it’s — we’re in the fourth quarter.

BARTIROMO:  OK.

Ken, we hope you will come back with us next week. We are sorry that we had
an abbreviated time with you this morning. We so appreciate your analysis.

Thank you, sir, Ken Starr.

And that will do it for us right now, but this program will repeat today at
3:00 p.m. Eastern right here on FOX News. I hope you will join us.

And then, tomorrow, I continue the conversation on FOX Business with
“Mornings With Maria.” We will have Carter Page and Jenna Ellis, my special
guests.

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